LETTER: Guards in schools take lot of dollars

2013-01-06T16:19:00Z 2013-01-06T16:21:43Z LETTER: Guards in schools take lot of dollarsBy Michael Leyden, Charleston JG-TC.com
January 06, 2013 4:19 pm  • 

According to the NRA, school massacres will be avoided by having armed police in every building. There are more than 132,000 schools in America, and if each has 12 entryways, that will require hiring about 1.6 million guards. Five Charleston schools average 15 entries, with CHS having close to 40.

Then there are urban schools with 5,000 students and maybe 70 doors that could only be protected by platoons of soldiers.

“Buzzer Systems” are tremendous for holding a parent at bay that is upset over her son’s math grade but they are no match for any visitor with a weapon.

Such silly ‘security systems’ simply stall stalking shooters six seconds.

Armed guards may actually be an adrenaline allure to some killers since they up the ante by making the attack an enticing real life video game.

Non-adventurous killers note that schools often have windows in their classrooms, so they avoid the guarded doors and walk by the windows with weapons ablaze.

Each of the 1,600,000 guards will require at minimum $50,000 Hazardous Duty Pay, a retirement program and health insurance — especially health insurance.

Who will pay more than $100 billion dollars in school soldier salaries and benefits. No, not ‘a government grant.’ Look into the mirror. Then there are the back-to-school-supplies each warrior needs: a Glock; a Bushmaster assault rifle; and a trusty Sig Sauer. More billion$. Unlike Barney Fife, every guard will have more than one bullet. Ammo by the billion$.

Munitions makers will see obese profit$. Perhaps the NRA’s idea is not based on altruism.

Oh, wait. The highest concentration of children per square foot is not in school at all. It is on the bus, so hijack one 200 meters from the school; jump aboard and fire away: 60 kids & a driver neatly in rows, killed in 9 seconds. Meanwhile, the school guards are smiling at 2nd graders and oblivious to what just happened down the street.

Bottom line, simplistic answers to an enormously complex problem do not work.

And to end on a positive note, imagine the effect of taking a few of the re$ource$ above and hiring a mere half million teachers, armed with a passion for learning, a curiosity about everything, and ‘packing heat’: a warm heart for the children. We would have kids anxiously racing into less crowded classrooms every day instead of cowering at the thought of slogging into the armory.

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(36) Comments

  1. Hary P
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    Hary P - January 11, 2013 7:28 am
    Banana republics? How about some stats from the civilized word?
  2. Time Lord
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    Time Lord - January 10, 2013 10:12 am
    My chart looked alot better when I hit the submit button than it does now. It looks like the website won't accept tabs.

    If you look at the link, you will see; "The US has the highest gun ownership rate in the world - an average of 88 per 100 people. But the US does not have the worst firearm murder rate - that prize belongs to Honduras, El Salvador and Jamaica. In fact, the US is number 28, with a rate of 2.97 per 100,000 people"
  3. Time Lord
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    Time Lord - January 10, 2013 12:44 am
    Okay, Hary wants something other than stats for Mexico.

    Homicides by Guns
    gun per 100,000 per 100
    population population

    U. S. 2.97 88.8
    Honduras 68.43 6.2
    Jamaica 39.4 8.1
    Guatemala 34.81 13.1
    Colombia 27.09 5.9
    Brazil 18.1 8

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownership-world-list
  4. Time Lord
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    Time Lord - January 09, 2013 5:58 pm
    Just because you can ignore the cases that disprove your point doesn't mean everyone else will.
  5. Time Lord
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    Time Lord - January 09, 2013 5:42 pm
    First it was "large", then it was "big", now it's "massive", give him another week and it will be a "purchase that you need an SUV to haul home"
  6. Hary P
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    Hary P - January 09, 2013 5:15 pm
    Sounds like I hit a nerve with my control issue comment. Bet that's not the first time you've heard that.
  7. Rosanna
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    Rosanna - January 09, 2013 3:01 pm
    "Do you have any valid examples? Preferably any that aren't a war zone."

    Okay Luke, if Mexico having a drug war makes their example invalid, the US has been waging a war on drugs since Nixon was President, and that would make your example of the US equally invalid.
  8. sheepdog
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    sheepdog - January 09, 2013 3:01 pm
    Hary said: "stopping massive ammunition purchases........"

    Do you really think that limiting the amount of ammunition one can purchase will help reduce gun related homicides?

    Now it's a matter of "massive ammunition purchases"?
  9. Rosanna
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    Rosanna - January 09, 2013 2:46 pm
    He's out of town until this evening, did you think that a little misogyny would give you cover?

    And BTW, take all the drug and gang related gun deaths out of the US statistics and tell us what you have left.
  10. Bps
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    Bps - January 09, 2013 2:37 pm
    Oh really luke???

    James Conway former FBI special agent & program manager of FBI counter terrorism operations in Latin America:

    “80% of weapons seized at Mexican crime scenes are untraceable and never submitted to U.S. authorities”

    “US firearms actually only represent about 17% of guns & weapons found at Mexican crime scenes.”

    “The vast majority of the weaponry used in this drug war comes into Mexico through the black market and the wide-open, porous southern border of Mexico & Guatemala.”
  11. Hary P
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    Hary P - January 09, 2013 1:29 pm
    gringa has Texas T running coverage and it looks like TL has you. He's a big guy, you diminish his credibility by playing big sister. Control issues on the homefront? As far as Mexico goes, I don't believe the country is into guns like the US and I suspect most of the killings are drug related.
  12. luke
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    luke - January 09, 2013 12:26 pm
    Many of the cartel guns are from the US.

    Do you have any valid examples? Preferably any that aren't a war zone.
  13. Rosanna
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    Rosanna - January 09, 2013 11:41 am
    "You like to bring up Mexico a lot. Funny you never mention any of the countries that have strict gun laws and LOW murder rates."

    Hary, he only brings it up when some one else mentions another country and then claims that it is PROOF that there is a direct correlation between strict gun laws and low murder rates. We both think that is is "funny" that the left never wants to talk about Mexico WHEN THE ISSUE IS GUNS. They are just next door to us and their gun laws are even stricter than many countries that you do talk about.
  14. Rosanna
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    Rosanna - January 09, 2013 9:50 am
    "The Federal Gun Free Schools Zone Act prohibits carrying firearms on school grounds in most cases, effectively criminalizing the right to self-defense in places filled with the most vulnerable citizens. Without that federal prohibition, adults working at the school would have been free to defend themselves, very possibly saving the lives of many of the young children and adults who were slain in this horrific tragedy."

    http://www.lp.org/news/press-releases/halt-the-massacre-of-innocent-children-by-ending-prohibition-on-self-defense-in
  15. sheepdog
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    sheepdog - January 09, 2013 7:44 am
    That's what I thought.
  16. Hary P
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    Hary P - January 09, 2013 7:12 am
    You like to bring up Mexico a lot. Funny you never mention any of the countries that have strict gun laws and LOW murder rates. Just saying....
  17. Hary P
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    Hary P - January 09, 2013 7:10 am
    The argument that the "left" is trying to strip us of our right to defend ourselves is a knee jerk "over" reaction. Banning assault weapons, eliminating the gun show loophole, stopping massive ammunition purchases and limiting clip sizes is not going to keep you from defending yourself unless you think you need a military size arsenal to do it.
  18. WarElk
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    WarElk - January 08, 2013 3:47 pm
    While forgetting that Clinton did just that a year after Columbine.
  19. Bps
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    Bps - January 08, 2013 1:35 pm
    Good question og...

    Hundreds & hundreds of billions for:

    ... bailing out banks to big to fail, green energy companies owned by bundlers that go bankrupt, bailing out union pensions but not non-union, making sure GE & others get tax exemptions for overseas financing and on and on...

    Hum...

    All that money for those that support & enable the elected officials?

    ... could it be young students don't have money to contribute & most can't vote?

  20. Rosanna
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    Rosanna - January 08, 2013 11:14 am
    What the NRA proposed was putting POLICE in all schools to protect the children. We do hire these people to protect us, not just show up afterwords to take a report for insurance purposes. It is bad enough that the left wants to strip us of our right to defend ourselves, but now with their knee-jerk reactions to the NRA, they are advocating that the POLICE not be allowed to protect us either.
  21. Bps
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    Bps - January 08, 2013 9:28 am
    TL there is one that isn't in the constitution that was somehow “found” by 7 Justices in 1973

    On the day the 20 children were killed at Sandy Hook by a single mad man

    … 3,288 unborn babies were purposely killed

    3% (or less) of them due to rape, incest or to save the life of the mother

    … 3,189 of the unborn who lost their lives

    For a form of after the act birth control or for personal convenience

    … Liberals fight tooth & tong for that “right”


    ...
  22. sheepdog
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    sheepdog - January 07, 2013 4:30 pm
    "..turning American schools into fortresses so gun enthusiasts can indulge their passion is a bad idea."

    Actually, Peg, I believe putting Police Officers in schools is to protect our children.
    "So gun enthusiasts can indulge their passion"??
    Seriously?

    BTW, Peggy, you didn't respond to my question on Mr. Heaton's letter. It wasn't loaded, it was a simple, direct question.
    You mentioned "support for meaningful regulation of guns & ammunition"
    What regulation of ammunition would u propose?.
  23. Time Lord
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    Time Lord - January 07, 2013 3:06 pm
    There is also a big difference between "dictating" and "proposing". And that RIGHT TO PETETION THE GOVERNMENT doesn't really exist, it's just right wing propaganda.

    Are there any of those Amendments that you left wingers don't have a problem with?
  24. Old Grumpy
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    Old Grumpy - January 07, 2013 2:33 pm
    The Coles County Courthouse has at least four main entrances so why not do like they are doing and close all but one? The federal Government spent $1,000,000 (give or take a few bucks) to put a fence around the Coles County Airport to protect it from deer and terrorists (or was it deer terrorists), so why not spend as much putting fences, video monitors, and guards in our schools?
  25. P Neumann
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    P Neumann - January 07, 2013 1:22 pm
    "Gun Enthusiats" are excersing their right as guaranteed by the second ammedment. The problem perplexing you and your anti gun comrades who simply do not or cannot understand is that the criminal commits the gun vioence, not the law abiding citizen. Why compare America to the rest of the world, we are exceptional. If you don't believe that, then I do not believe in you. How's the war on Weed and coke and other drugs going? Law abiding citizens don't participate. Only criminals.
  26. Time Lord
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    Time Lord - January 07, 2013 1:07 pm
    Peggy, the US is NOT the gun violence capital of the free world. Try contrasting the US to Mexico and you will find that they have 15 guns per 100 population compared to ours at 88.8 per 100 population. The rate of gun homicides in the US 2.98 per 100,000 population.The rate of gun homicides in Mexico is 10 per 100,000 population, over 3 times the rate in the US with fewer guns and very restrictive gun laws.

    http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compare/113/rate_of_gun_homicide/192,194
  27. Hary P
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    Hary P - January 07, 2013 1:03 pm
    Big difference in an elected president proposing spending money opposed to a lobby group. Just because the NRA "owns" some of our politicians they don't have any business dictating how our tax dollars are spent.
  28. vanjon
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    vanjon - January 07, 2013 12:20 pm
    We do not want a country where only the government has guns!
  29. Peggy's_Soapbox
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    Peggy's_Soapbox - January 07, 2013 10:23 am
    Satire always exaggerates, people.But the point is, turning American schools into fortresses so gun enthusiasts can indulge their passion is a bad solution to a growing problem.No other free world country rivals the US in the number of guns per capita and the number of homicides per capita.If guns made us free and safe, we'd be the safest nation in the world,and certainly would not be considering fencing and fortifying every school.But if that's what locals want,raise local taxes to pay for it
  30. WarElk
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    WarElk - January 07, 2013 7:50 am
    When the NRA says to put Cops in Schools its outrageous, but it was ok for President Clinton a year after Columbine to request $60 million in federal money to fund a fifth round of funding for a program called "COPS in School ?
  31. vanjon
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    vanjon - January 07, 2013 7:26 am
    We can afford armed guards for the court house?
    You don't need an armed guard at every door of the schools.
    We will never know if one arned guard at the door at Sandy Hook would have stopped it but it might have.
    A secure fence with a guard at the fence gate is a possibility and another inside with communications with that gate guard. It takes a little time to cut through a fence.
    There is no 100% solution
    Getting rid of the violence in movies and TV and video games is the most important
  32. Rockin Rotty
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    Rockin Rotty - January 07, 2013 1:24 am
    Michael Leyden said: "Five Charleston schools average 15 entries, with CHS having close to 40."

    CHS only has 17 "entries", not "40". You're entitled to your own opinion but you are not entitled to your own facts. Now, let's see.... what else have you overstated in your letter.... "Oh wait." "Bottom line," you're a liberal. My condolences. LOL! ツ
  33. Rosanna
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    Rosanna - January 07, 2013 12:11 am
    "Armed guards may actually be an adrenaline allure to some killers....."

    If this were the case, one would assume that more of these shootings would happen in places with armed guards.
  34. gringa
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    gringa - January 06, 2013 9:37 pm
    "Bottom line, simplistic answers to an enormously complex problem do not work."

    I agree, so why put forth the pie-in-the-sky suggestions in your last paragraph? I guess you haven't worked all the way through the complexities you described.
  35. Bps
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    Bps - January 06, 2013 5:24 pm
    “23,200 schools had armed security staff in the 2009-10 school year…” New York Times
    … leaves 75,617 that don’t

    Ave @ $55K/year X 75,617 unsecured
    = $ 4.2 bil 1 officer
    = $12.5 bil 3 officers

    ... your figures seem unreasonable

    Sen Reid's Clark County Dist. school has ARMED police department on its campuses

    Champaign County has multiple contracts w/county districts to provide full-time Deputy SRO’s

    Politico's worth billions spent to secure & arm fed buildings

    ... but kids aren't?
  36. sheepdog
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    sheepdog - January 06, 2013 4:47 pm
    I agree with your "bottom line".
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