They won’t stop at this. The same people who pushed for civil unions in 2011 are now suing the state and saying those civil unions are unconstitutional.

The same politicians who pushed the Religious Freedom Protection and Civil Union Act into law are now sponsoring the Religious Liberty and Marriage Fairness Act. The mere right to a civil union was never their agenda, nor is the right to marry.

Almost immediately after the Religious Freedom Protection and Civil Union Act was passed a homosexual couple was filing suit against a Christian bed and breakfast owner because he, on religious grounds, refused to rent his facility for a homosexual ceremony.

Not long after that, the state pushed Catholic Charities out of foster care work because Catholic Charities refused, for religious reasons, to place children in homosexual homes.

Naming the new bill “The Religious Liberty and Marriage Equality Act” is a pretty thin ruse. It will immediately be used as ammunition against those who hold religious convictions contrary to the homosexual agenda.

The tolerance movement is very intolerant of traditional religion. They aren’t looking for the right to cohabit or the right to marry so much as the right to demonize and marginalize those who disagree with them.

They very much want to push to the back of the bus anybody who dares to say their lifestyle is anything less than natural, healthy, and beautiful.

“Marriage Fairness” may be the greatest threat to “Religious Liberty” our state will ever face.

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Aaron
Aaron

You mean like so many people who call themselves 'Christians' have demonized and marginalized homosexuals for centuries in a most un-Christ-like manner??

Sorry, but people who continue to shroud their innate bigotry and hatred under the mantle of Christ are going the way of racists in our recent past who attempted to do the same thing to Blacks..

pastorhayden
pastorhayden

Aaron, I didn't call anybody names. I pointed out facts and patterns. I do believe that homosexual behavior is sinful behavior but that doesn't mean I hate homosexuals anymore than believing pride is sinful behavior makes me a hater of proud people. I know several homosexuals and wish them nothing but good.
Labeling someone a biggot because they disagree with you is bad form.

Reality101
Reality101

"Labeling someone a biggot (sic) because they disagree with you is bad form." Nobody is calling you a bigot because they disagree with you, they are saying so because you are exhibiting a bigoted point of view. It's very simple, pastorhayden. Denying rights to others that you expect to enjoy, yourself, is bigotry. If you believe homosexual behavior is sinful, then by all means don't engage in it. Why are you so interested in what others do behind closed doors?

pastorhayden
pastorhayden

If my bigoted point of view is that I believe homosexual behavior is sinful, then all Bible believing Christians are bigots. If you believe that, then you live in a world and a country where you believe that over 1/3 of the population are bigots. Also, doesn't labeling me a bigot just kind of prove the point I was actually making, that this will be used to marginalize and put down traditionally religious people?

Reality101
Reality101

Yes, I suppose that if 1/3 of the population adopts a bigoted point of view, then 1/3 of the population are, indeed, bigots. As for believing the bible: just because an idea is tenacious or popular does not mean it its also accurate, ethical, or even remotely true. Magical thinking and superstition are the hurdles, roadblocks, and death traps of the productive mind. They are slowly being overcome in this age of information.

heron
heron

Oh Gosh, yes, all those 'motives' beyond simply striving toward equality for all in our society are truly things to be feared and hated "Let them sit in the middle of the bus and just you wait; they are going to demand not only seats in the front of the bus but the audacity to actually drive the bus in the future." If only these so-called 'Christians' realized what damage they do to their institution by fear mongering and bigotry. Shame.

pastorhayden
pastorhayden

Isn't there is a difference between equality and forced acceptance?
This seems like more of a play towards forcing public acceptance than gaining equality under the law. It seems like they want their behavior to be recognized by everybody as normal and are trying to use the law to force it.

devilishangel61401
devilishangel61401

100% agree wtih you Heron. Letters like this burn me the h*** up. My parents had an interacial marraige they both took a lot of flack for that, but my stepdad was the best dad I could've ever asked for, my bio dad died when I was 2 and my stepdad aka dad never treated me or my older stepbrother who's also my dads stepson any diffrently than my two brothers whom he's biologcally realted to.. and like my dad Im proud to be "straight not narrow"

devilishangel61401
devilishangel61401

wow seriously?? years ago ppl weren't allowed to have interacial marriages like my parents did, but ppl spoke up and said I should be allowed to marry the one I love do you think that those ppl shouldve been silent ?? If there is a sepration of church n state then why the heck do churches feel they should be allowed to dictate who a person can marry, the Bible says divorce is wrong, our society accpets that, what happend to love the sinner hate the sin?? Im glad you're not my Pastor!!!!

talln
talln

doesn't the bible clearly call homosexuality sin.

pastorhayden
pastorhayden

I'm sorry for your experience. I have a much beloved aunt and uncle who married interracially. I don't believe people should be defined or limited by their skin color.
The Bible actually is a very anti-racist book. There was slavery in the OT but it was far closer to indentured servitude, wasn't based on race, and was only allowed to last 7 years. The NT outright condemns any racism saying "we are one in Christ." Anybody who uses the Bible to justify racism isn't reading it right.

gringa
gringa

Just as not requiring 'physical education' in public schools is the primary cause of obesity, not allowing God in our public schools is the cause of violence.

Lessons learned early in life for a sedentary lifestyle tend to stick with us. Lessons learned early in life for a godless lifestyle also tend to stick with us.

When was the last time your child came home from school and told you "Our teacher taught us today that we are to hate the sin and love the sinner"?

Reality101
Reality101

Which god would that be, gringa? Yahweh? Allah? Zeus? Ganesha? Thor? Unfortunately, I can't name all the thousands of them, due to character limitation here, but you get the idea. So I'm going to assume you are referring to your particular version of a god, the belief in which, without being able to even prove its existence, you think the government should force upon every school child. And you think this will end violence? How on earth did you ever arrive at that absurd idea?

diogenes
diogenes

“Our teacher taught us today that we are to hate the sin and love the sinner"?
Since when have Christians practiced that? How many wars have Christians waged in the last 2000 years? How many people have Christians persecuted for their beliefs, race, or ethnicity in the last 2000 years? Being labeled a “sinner” is pretty flexible and has been used regularly as a “license to kill”.

Lefty
Lefty

...ok, let's have a statistical correlation 101 class, because I don't think you think what you think you think...

Hyhybt
Hyhybt

People were for civil unions because they were an improvement over nothing. There was never at any time any promise, even implied, that they were the end of the road. So why do people who are against gay pretty much anything crying foul?

As for businesses: your problem is logically not with marriage, but with anti-discrimination law in general. Businesses are not allowed to discriminate on a variety of characteristics, including by the way religion, even on religious grounds. This is not new.

pastorhayden
pastorhayden

Good points. Thank you for responding to what my article actually said.

pastorhayden
pastorhayden

Hyhybt, I just wanted to say thank you for commenting on what I actually said and not making any inferences about my personal character and motives.
You are absolutely right about discrimination law in business. The law of the land (thankfully) forbids business discrimination based on race, gender, age, and religion.

das
das

Noting from person experience: it's letters like this and views like this that take the lives of too many of our youth today, people of the community telling them they don't deserve equal rights, that their lifestyle is a sin, etc. It's sad that adults are willing to say that to someone, much less a young teen trying to figure out what it all means. Support your son, daughter, brother, sister, neighbor, etc. and support equality.

TielaMarie
TielaMarie

The Civil Union Act was just a step towards improvement. I would like to marry my current girlfriend. There is no reason why I should not be able to do this. Yes, it is just a piece of paper in some peoples eyes but why is is right that straights can have this and lesbians,gays, and etc cannot? We just want to have the ability and opportunity. Not be looked down upon and judged because of our "lifestyle," so to speak.

gringa
gringa

Thank you, TielaMarie. Inadvertently I'm sure, you've just confirmed what all normal, conservative people have always known. Your invented terms such as straight, gay, lesbian, transgender, etc, are just that - man-made.

The only two genders in existence came directly from God, man and woman. Everything else is, as you say, a "lifestyle" - in other words, a behavior. Thank you for being so honest, so to speak.

Lefty
Lefty

What's a "God" and how can I talk to him? I ask because it would seem to be important to have this dialogue if "he" -this "God"- is to determine our public policy.

Until the time that this "God" creature joins us by debating public policy, I think this is best left to the adults in the room... the ones who aren't pointing to the sky and saying "HE SAID THIS!"

...also, you would know man-made invented terms... like the term "God."

vanjon
vanjon

You don't have to point to the sky! God came to us in the written Word and the Living Word for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear.

Lefty
Lefty

VANJON, I can't see and here it...

Alan Poe
Alan Poe

Had it ever occured to you that "They" (as you put it) are simply looking for equality? Equality means being treated the same as everyone else. Promoting active discrimination by using fear and ignorance, and justifying it in the name of your interpretation of your personal religion, particularly in your position as a religious "leader," is both irresponsible and shameful. It's no wonder your flocks are dwindling.

talln
talln

why should these laws be created to prevent Catholic Charities from placing children where they choose. What happened to their rights.

as In reality, our country was founded upon Judio-Christian principles, not allah, budda, etc

nannakat
nannakat

unlike choosing what religion you will follow,id bet you can't recall the day you woke up and made the big decision to be a hetero. i know i can't. being gay is like having blue or brown eyes. no one wakes up and says "you know today i've made the choice to be gay,be persacuted by narrow minded people" seriously. god made us all just the way we are and evevrything he made is just the way he wants it.

Hary P
Hary P

The fundies have to see homosexuality as a choice. That's the only way they can justify their hate and bigotry. It's especially disgusting to hear from a so called person of the clergy.

pastorhayden
pastorhayden

Hary P. I do believe homosexuality is a choice. There are many people who are ex-homosexuals. There aren't any ex-african americans or ex-caucasions.
As far as being a hateful bigot, I didn't say one hateful thing, I merely said that there is an agenda of forced acceptance here and that will harm churches committed to the Bible.
I actually preached a pre-planned message on Sunday whose whole point was that we have no more right to be hateful than we do to rewrite the Bible.

Reality101
Reality101

So, pastorhayden, how old were you when you decided to be heterosexual, rather than homosexual? I marvel that you are unable to see the hatred and bigotry so prevalent in this point of view you are promoting. Is that also a choice? Please look up the term "cognitive dissonance." It certainly applies to your discourse.

Rosanna
Rosanna

"cognitive dissonance."

Do you mean like when liberals constantly preach that we should be more tolerant of Islam, but in countries with Islamic Rule, Gays are either stoned to death, beheaded or hung?

Reality101
Reality101

Rosanna, not sure how your very general and inaccurate comment applies here. You certainly paint people with a wide brush. I don't preach tolerance of Islam over any other religion. I think religion of any flavor is a bad idea. Not every Muslim wants to behead gays, just like not every Christian wants to deny them their rights. When someone defends their bigotry by basing it on a belief they cannot even prove is true, they do not deserve to be taken seriously.

gringa
gringa

"being gay is like having blue or brown eyes. no one wakes up and says "you know today i've made the choice to be gay,be persacuted by narrow minded people" seriously. god made us all just the way we are and evevrything he made is just the way he wants it."

You wish. An old, musty argument. Homosexuality is a choice. God made two genders. What you're talking about is a behavior, certainly not the way He "wants it". Btw, jfyi, it's "persecuted".

AustinM95
AustinM95

It seems to be a common thread among anti-gay people to use that term "homosexual agenda." I'll let you in on a little secret: Yes, there is a homosexual agenda. It consists of people wanting to enjoy every right that you, pastor, do. Nothing more, nothing less. However, a comprise does need to occur. That is by making a clear distinction between the government's power to delegate marriage and the church's. The government dictates the rights you have by marriage. That is what's being fought for.

gringa
gringa

Austin, OK, here we go again. Please name one right denied a homosexual person.

Lefty
Lefty

Right to marry. Right to hospital visitation. Those are just a few of many.

...and you know this. You're just being glib.

Rosanna
Rosanna

"That's the only way they can justify their hate and bigotry."

Hary, what did the letter writter say that was hateful or bigoted? And how does believing that it is a choice make one hateful and bigoted? I believe that it is a choice and a moral issue. I also supported Civil Unions because I believe that we should have the right to make our own moral choices and not have the government legislate them for us. Are you saying that what was done to Catholic Charities was not intolerant of the needs of the children involved?

Hary P
Hary P

Here's why Rose: The American APA and the AMA as well as all reputable clinicians agree that homosexuality is not a matter of choice. Like I said thumper types have to believe otherwise or else they couldn't justify their homophobia. Can you provide a list of dissenting opinions? As far as Catholic Charities goes, they lost their contracts because they were violating federal laws on discrimination. Are You suggesting the be given a pass on discrimination laws?

Rosanna
Rosanna

Hary, within the ranks of the AMA and APA, there are varied opinions on subjects like the role of anti-depressants on violence in society and whether the Health Care Act can work without bankrupting the country, but on this issue, you claim that they are in 100% agreement? Kind of like "settled science"?

While I am saying that everyone has the right to live their life as they choose, you seem to be saying that no, they were born that way and will always be that way so we can separate people by their genetics.

Hary P
Hary P

Rose, I'm just saying that homosexuality is not a choice and the "most" experts are on my side. Of course there are a small number of experts who disagree. Get more than three experts in a room and you'll get at least three different opinions. Gays, like straights, can practice abstinence if they wish. I suspect that's what the so called "cured" ones do. BTW, you glossed over my question of giving CC a pass on violating discrimination laws. Or does that me you're in agreement with me?

Rosanna
Rosanna

Hary, are they discriminating or are they following their moral convictions? And why does the party of tolerance always have such a snit when someone has moral convictions that are different from theirs?

Hyhybt
Hyhybt

Why do you present "discriminating" and following their moral convictions" as if they were mutually exclusive?

sheepdog
sheepdog

"Here's why Rose"

"Here's why" what? What question is your comment in response to?

Hary P
Hary P

If I didn't know better, I would think you might be stalking me, dip. LOL!

sheepdog
sheepdog

"If I didn't know better, I would think you might be stalking me, dip.'

No, just spanking you when you get out of line. Just like I did with my children.
Oh yeah...I forgot...."LOL!"

Hary P
Hary P

sheepdip said...No, just spanking you when you get out of line. Just like I did with my children.
Oh yeah...I forgot...."LOL!"

Seriously sheepie, you're starting to get a bit creepy with that kind of talk. But I'm not at all surprised that you had to resort to spanking, that's the action of an adult who lacks the skills to teach their children right from wrong. It just gets creepy when they start talking about doing it to another adult.

Hary P
Hary P

I don't believe anyone said Catholic Charities had to get out of the adoption business, only that they needed to stop their discriminatory policies if they wanted to keep getting tax payer money.

Rosanna
Rosanna

Hary, I was referring to when Quinn said that the state may have to remove children from the Foster Homes that Catholic Charities had found for them.

Lefty
Lefty

So Rosanna, should the Klan be allowed to have an adoption agency? I mean, they hate gays and blacks.

Ok, ok... Im a bit mean spirited... the Church only teaches that gay people are evil. That's ok, though.

Rosanna
Rosanna

Okay, Lefty, can't argue the point so you want to try to associate me with the Klan? Sorry to disappoint you sweaty, but I don't qualify for membership, they hate me too.

I think that the problem is that I believe that it is a choice one makes and that people do have the right to make that choice for themselves but those on the left can't stand the idea of people having the right to choose for themselves.

Hyhybt
Hyhybt

Nothing "was done to" Catholic Charities. They (or, more probably, their overseers from the church itself) decided it was more politically profitable to throw the good of the children in the trash and shut down entirely in protest of laws that apply to everyone rather than complying with them and continuing to match children in need of parents with people willing to parent them. That was *their* choice, nobody else's, and it is therefore irrational to blame it on anyone else.

Rosanna
Rosanna

Hyhybt, the Catholic Church has not denied the Gay Community the right to be Adoptive or Foster Parents because they were not the only providers of those services. They were in a position where they were being forced to preform actions that they feel are morally wrong. While I am not Catholic and my beliefs are somewhat different, I find it morally repugnant to force any group into a position of moral hypocrisy and to do so for political reasons is discriminatory.

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