Block Rock Island Clean Line is not a group of selfish farmers wanting to stop progress by opposing clean energy solutions that would help society.

Block RICL is a group of citizens concerned with unnecessary power lines and the billions of dollars in expenses they impose on the tax payers and consumers.

Block RICL is made-up of concerned citizens who want to educate the public and ask the Illinois Commerce Commission, ICC, to study all proposed power line projects and stop unnecessary transmission lines.

The group initially was begun by landowners directly impacted by Rock Island Clean Line’s project to cross Illinois farm land with huge towers carrying DC electricity from Iowa to the PJM power grid which supplies the east coast.

But as more information was available to the public, the group quickly grew to include many other citizens who question a system where a private group of wealthy out-of- state investors can attempt to get public utility status and seize private land using eminent domain -Then make the public pay for their investment through electricity bills.

Also opposing the RICL power line project are citizens following the National trend to scrutinize the abuse of Federal subsidy money for supposedly “clean energy“.

These people realize that wind energy produced in the Midwest and transmitted half-way across the country is not the answer to a future of clean energy. They also feel there are better clean energy solutions close to where the energy is needed and wind subsidies abuse our Federal tax payer’s money which was intended to create future independence from fossil fuels.

Wind energy is very costly to produce and requires back up production of electricity from coal, natural gas, or nuclear energy. Only a third of the electricity transmitted over the proposed “clean lines” would likely be produced by wind.

Clean electricity generated by off-shore Atlantic Ocean wind farms or under water turbines located near the demand area make a lot more sense.

To learn more about the subject please go to www.BlockRICL.com. This is an issue that concerns all Americans.

(36) comments

gringa
gringa

As Rush has been saying for years: Follow the money.

This is especially true for so-called 'green energy'.

diogenes
diogenes

So how is it Rush has never managed to follow the money to the Koch brothers, Richard Mellon Scaife, or Rupert Murdoch? Just wondering.

Hary P
Hary P

I have a hard time believing that there are people out there stupid enough to call Limbaugh's show news. But they're out there, some even post on newspaper websites.

Hary P
Hary P

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why the power companies are doing everything they can to give alternative energy sources a bad name. Just follow the money. At the rate we are depleting our natural resources it only makes sense to do all we can to develop alternative sources. We need to do this in spite of the propaganda being spewed from the natural resource suppliers.

Time Lord
Time Lord

I thought that wind and solar power were natural resources.

Hary P
Hary P

I should have said non renewable resources. But somehow I think you knew that.

heavyweight
heavyweight

i can't help but wonder why this lady sent this to the jg-tc. i would guess that she/they sent it to numerous other newspapers.

i'm ready for Hary to get back. i'm starting to accumulate a bit of ring rust.

Hary P
Hary P

heavy- I'm ready for Hary to get back. i'm starting to accumulate a bit of ring rust.

Aw...did you miss me? Looks like things pretty well came to a halt while I was gone. Well, I'm back so let the action begin.

Time Lord
Time Lord

Hary, as long as you are claiming to be smarter than the average rocket scientist on this subject, maybe you could explain the advantage of transmitting DC Current thousands of miles and then converting it to AC instead of first converting it to AC and then using the existing power grid?

Didn't Thomas Edison and George Westinghouse hash that one out in the 1880s?

It sounds to me like someone is trying to reinvent the wheel and use government funding to do it.

Hary P
Hary P

You must be confusing me with someone else on here. She's the one who has all the answers, not me. I was merely pointing out that it's sellers of non renewable energy who are fighting any and all other sources of energy. It's not going to happen in our life time but some day we are going to run out of oil and gas. What will do then? I think it's a good idea to start working on the problem now.

Time Lord
Time Lord

PJM doesn't produce energy, renewable or non renewable, it just transports it across country, kind of like Enron did.

Hary P
Hary P

I'm in total awe of both you and Rosie. I just don't know how two people can have such a vast amount of information at your fingertips. No matter the subject you two are experts. I bow to your superior knowledge of every historical fact since the dawn of man.

Time Lord
Time Lord

Hary, nobody has claimed expertise in any area, but as one who prefers flatulentic grousing instead of debating, I can see why you would think that.

Hary P
Hary P

I've never met a know it all blowhard who saw them self for what they are.

heavyweight
heavyweight

what are you talking about TL? Hary is the first one to debate the complex social issue of gun control. he doesn't duck any questions and gives sources for his information. he staunchly defends his posts with facts and figures. everyone on this site knows that.

Hary P
Hary P

I learned a long time ago that you can't argue with fools and liars. I don't even try.

Hary P
Hary P

heavyweight -what are you talking about TL? Hary is the first one to debate the complex social issue of gun control. he doesn't duck any questions and gives sources for his information. he staunchly defends his posts with facts and figures. everyone on this site knows that.

This sort of nonsense is why I don't argue with fools and liars. And hey, your side won and thanks to the NRA, we can now look forward to more Sandy Hook type children massacres. You should be so proud this morning.

heavyweight
heavyweight

Harbob said: "This sort of nonsense is why I don't argue with fools and liars."

you don't debate (argue) because you are incapable. it's the same reason bob didn't and Peggy, & Connie don't. don't get me wrong Harbob... you can debate other issues that don't require stats, facts, figures and common sense. but, when it comes to gun control, you all argue with emotion instead of facts. in a debate, facts trump emotion every time.

"liars"? who's a liar and what lie did they present?

Hary P
Hary P

I noticed that you didn't ask who the fools are. And BTW stats, facts and figures are all open to interpretation, so your argument on that is moot..Even though I've shown (factually, by showing the figures) that 2 thirds of our debt came from GOP administrations, those on the right refuse to believe it. Even after showing her the real numbers, Rosie refused to believe it and accused me of being mathematically challenged. The same goes for our GDP doing better under Democratic administrations

heavyweight
heavyweight

heavy said: "who's a liar and what lie did they present?"

Har replied: " "

Hary P
Hary P

heavysheep said: you don't debate (argue) because you are incapable. Trying a differen't approach, are? lol!

Bps
Bps

Interpretation???

Debt growth from TreasuryDirect.gov

$6,150,588,088,782 Obama 1,551 days
$4,901,104,747,205 GW Bush 2,922 days
$1,539,684,631,121 Clinton 2,922 days
$1,490,135,107,183 Bush 1,461 days
$1,763,884,000,000 Reagan 2,922 days
…$280,166,000,000 Carter 1,461 days
…$172,115,000,000 Ford 895 days
…$119,162,331,393 Nixon 2,027 days
…..$54,062,649,851 Johnson 1,886 days

Dem Prz.. $8,024,501,369,754.44 48.7%
Rep Prz... $8,446,401,185,782.16 51.3%

Sigh...

Facts are just facts

Rosanna
Rosanna

Bps, according to your figures, and considering the time in office, Democrats have been borrowing at the rate of $1.026 BILLION per day as opposed to $826 MILLION per day for Republicans.

But, these figures are skewed by the dangerous and wreckless borrowing of Obama who has been borrowing at the rate of $3.965 BILLION per day. If one removes the figures for Obama, you get a historical average of $299 MILLION per day for Democrats. Obama's borrowing is 13.27 times greater than the historical average for Democrats and 4.8 times greater than the historical average for Republicans.

Bps
Bps

Yep Rose...

and the Oman is on track to see HIS national debt in his 8 years to be more than all of the debt that has been aqumulated by all 43 PRESIDENT BEFORE HIM!

Blaming his predigious spending on how bad his recession was seems lame as well

... since his policies and wasteful spending have actually extended it and made things worse .... and his Obmacare hasn't even kicked in yet.


Time Lord
Time Lord

Do we have to explain simple math to you now Heavyweight? Everyone knows that $7 trillion divided by $17 trillion would equal 41% and that 41% is equal to 33% which would equal 1 third. We also all know that Obama is the first ever Democrat President, therefore all the rest had to come from the Bush administration because Clinton paid off all of the National Debt , so Hary's statement must be true.

I hope that makes things as clear as the air in China.

heavyweight
heavyweight

my bad.

Hary P
Hary P

You can do about anything with numbers and facts, case in point:

Democratic Presidents, Clinton, Carter, LBJ, JFK, and Truman all reduced the debt, while the last four Republican Presidents, GW Bush, GHW Bush, Reagan, and Ford all oversaw an increase in the country’s indebtedness.

Like FDR, Obama faced an economy in shambles, and like FDR Obama spent a lot of money stopping the free fall.

So which is the party of big spenders?

Bps
Bps

Err... har are you confusing reducing deficit to cutting debt?

Debt growth from TreasuryDirect.gov
$6,150,588,088,782 Obama 1,551 days
$4,901,104,747,205 GW Bush 2,922 days
$1,539,684,631,121 Clinton 2,922 days
$1,490,135,107,183 Bush 1,461 days
$1,763,884,000,000 Reagan 2,922 days
…$280,166,000,000 Carter 1,461 days
…$172,115,000,000 Ford 895 days
…$119,162,331,393 Nixon 2,027 days
…..$54,062,649,851 Johnson 1,886 days
Dem Prz.. $8,024,501,369,754.44 48.7%
Rep Prz... $8,446,401,185,782.16 51.3

Rosanna
Rosanna

Then why do the official statistics from the US Treasury Department show that the National Debt increased during the years that those presidents were in office?

Hary P
Hary P

Rose- Then why do the official statistics from the US Treasury Department show that the National Debt increased during the years that those presidents were in office?

Not sure, but I suspect it's the result of accrued interest.

Bps
Bps

“...result of accrued interest.”

Hum...

USA never missed interest payment on external debt, no accrued interest

4/18/2013- $4,862,534,449,476.35 intra-government debt (“borrowed” from trust funds. most from SS)
… interest in future … owed when IOU’s redeemed
… comes from surplus of what trust takes in verus paid out

2009 SS starts redeeming IOUs (remember FICA tax holiday?)

Were broke Feds externally borrow money .. interest paid/not accrued

Nope… not accrued interest

Rosanna
Rosanna

" I suspect it's the result of accrued interest."

Hary, the unpaid interest would be added to the principal of the loan for the total indebtedness. From what you are saying, not only did they not reduce the debt, they didn't even bother to pay the interest.

Some of what you are saying would have been true 5 years ago, but that was before we elected a president that is intent on maxing out the government credit card. Today, in an age of "Shovel Ready Jobs" that aren't shovel ready and government financing of Green Energy Companies that keep going bankrupt and are bought out for pennies on the dollar by their own shareholders, all you are doing is giving traditional Democrats a bad name.

Hary P
Hary P

gringa- I'm not sure if you're delibertly being obtuse or if you lack the capacity to see that the NRA is using an emotional approach to the gun issue. They keep their members stirred up by spreading fear. Is fear not an emotion? And like most propaganda campaigns, it worked

The NRA's only solution is more guns on the street. No facts or data, only supposition on the resuls on implementing that approach.

So, who's reallly relying on emotion here?

Bps
Bps

Emotions????

Hum...

Using already illegal acts of tiny number of killers
… almost all proven under influence of prescribed psychotic inducing drugs & with illegally obtained guns

To try to "rush" to ban type of gun responsible for far less murders than hammers & blunt instruments

YET ignore that 90+% of all gun murders
… are gang related & committed by those with long criminal backgrounds

errr..sure ... (+_+)

…lefties aren’t the emotional ones

tds-t-lol

Hary P
Hary P

It appears that our country is willing to take a back seat to countries such as Germany (and even China) on using renewable energy. Does it make sense to let private citizens like the Koch brothers set our energy policies?.

Hary P
Hary P

TL-Hary, nobody has claimed expertise in any area, but as one who prefers flatulentic grousing instead of debating, I can see why you would think that.

That's funny, I would have thought you would prefer debating. Most people find flatulence disgusting, but as the old saying goes, to each his own....

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